Need recommendation -- French Door Curtains
Hello all, I've got French doors (each with 66 x 24 windows) that looks into my kitchen/livingroom. I'd like to hang some curtains over it for increased privacy, but up until now, nearly everything that I've found is sheer. I want something that offers total privacy, but yet something that I can open up to see out. The closest thing I've found to something that would work is here, but I'm concerned that these would be difficult to open up. I also need a matching solution for a regular door panel (23x36) (the kitchen door also needs a covering). I'm just seeking some recommendations. Thanks in advance, Kenneth there really aren't very many options for this situation. the link you provided shows a fabric curtain sheered on top bottom onto rods that are mounted to the door itself. these are definitely stationary and not meant to be opened in any way or even slid to the side. if done in a sheer fabric, they would filter light and provide privacy, but you'd never be able to really see out. unless you cinch them in the middle - then you can sort of see out a little triangular space on each side. however, whether that's enough of a view for you, i don't know. ........you could, however, have them made as 2 panels. then, they'd appear to be one curtain, but really you could slide them each to the side and see out the center. then at night, close them to the middle again. another option: a blind, either a 1 wood or some type of mini or micro blind. they can be mounted directly to the door and the bottoms held down with hold down brackets to keep them from flopping banging around when the door is opened closed. the headrail for an outside mount wood blind, as this would be, has side returns so that it's a very finished off look. they can be adjusted open or closed, or raised completely up almost out of sight (the stack would be about 6 or 8 or so). the miniblind stack would be less than half that. personally, i've got 2 wood blinds mounted to our french doors, and we love them. the only problem is that i should've gone with 1, because we can't open our door more than about 80 degrees. at 90 degrees, the headrails touch each other. more than that, and they'd smash into each other break! we have to be very careful, but it's become a habit now seems like no big deal. but i put the 2 blinds in all the other windows and wanted them all to match. so.....learn from my mistake on that one!! another option would be a pleated (single layer zig zag) or honeycomb (cellular) shade. it's mounted the same as the blind described above, but it's made out of fabric, so it's a softer look (and would be quieter - ), however, it's either up or down - no in between. but that might be just what you need. when raised completely up, they stack much tighter, so they're even more out of sight than the wood blinds. Annette, Thanks very much for the reply, I appreciate it. After scouring the web, I've come to the conclusion that you're absolutely right in that there aren't very many options. I'm starting to lose some interest in the strictly panel idea, and am moving toward tab-top draperies for the issue at hand. I'd like you opinions on this as well. Near as I can tell, it seems to be a one-or-the-other situation. I can either have light or privacy... everything that I've seen that offers one lacks in the other. This (Thermal-Backed Tab-Top Window Treatments) is what I've come up with as my best option for the tab-top drapes. The cons of the panels (not being able to open everything up for that full French door effect and the panel looking a bit less attractive than what I'm looking for) are more than the cons of the drapes (they'd see more traffic and thus would get dirty quicker, would block out a great deal of light). I do have a specific questions about the drapes at the link above. I'm not quite sure what I should order if I decide on this. Would I be looking for the Patio Panel (134x84 - each) or Draperies (134x84 - pair). If I were to go with the Patio Panel, would I have to order two of them? I've never really done any of this before, so I'm learning as I go. From frame to frame, the measurements of my french door are 71 wide x 82 tall. Many thanks in advance for an inexperienced first time homeowner! Kenneth you can also add valances on the french door they screw in at top of the door. and when the door is close it will look like a window with the panels of course i dont think tab will be the answer because they dont want to open and stay open they slide right back in position. http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/...41/24162808.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/...41/17003651.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL99/...41/18731912.jpg __________________ here our some idea for french doors, you can put a rod above the doors and have pleated drapery that open and close and it will make that wall look even bigger so you could have told privacy. check out the picture i got them from another drapery makers sent ideas there something. I'm assuming you're thinking of mounting the tabtop drapery treatment on the wall above the doors, right? i hope so, because tabtops wouldn't look right mounted directly to the door, like the first sheered treatment you were talking about. the difference in the drapery pair vs. the patio panel is that the drapery is a PAIR of panels that you would open in the middle and slide each pair to the side to open, and then you'd have one panel hanging on the right and one on the left when open. the patio panel is one huge panel that is meant to slide all to one side. you could use either one. however, if you're going to be doing a lot of sliding, and i think you are, tab tops ARE difficult to slide, as gotya pointed out. plus, to look nice, you have to evenly space the tabs, which would be a pain. easier to slide would be any type of plain or rod pocket drapery hung from the metal rings that have clips on them. the metal rings hung on a metal rod slide very easily. i can't see the pictures gotya posted (i'm at work those sites are blocked), so i can't comment on them, except to say that a pinch pleated drapery on a traverse rod would certainly work for you, but that tends to be a heavier look and a more dated look right now. a lighter, more in look now is to use the clips iron rods with decorative finials, or the tab tops with a decorative wood pole or iron rod. the full drapery treatment might be a good choice for you. during the day, when they're open, the drapery would frame your french doors nicely but the doors would be completely visible and would look very nice. at night, though, the whole door would be concealed behind the drapery, but that might be acceptable since total privacy is important. as long as the drapery is an attractive fabric that you like and the style is attractive and the rod is decorative, i personally wouldn't mind them closed at night, hiding my doors. Gotya, Annette, Thanks to the both of you for the advice regarding the French door treatment. I believe I am leaning more toward the drapery treatment (2 panels, not the patio panel) described by Annette at this point, the philosophy of leaving them open to see the French doors during the day and covering them up at night does seem like the best option to me. However, I hadn't considered that the tab tops would be difficult to slide. (Yes, there would be a decent amount of sliding going on, only least twice daily on weekdays to open in the morning and close at night... my wife and I both work so they wouldn't see much more than that, but possibly more on weekends). That makes the plain or rod-pocket drapery hanging from the metal rings/rod the best looking option at this point. I've got drapes hung on a metal rod in our living room, so I can get one to match. I just need to know that this is exactly what I'm looking for. I know I'm probably asking for a great deal of hand-holding throughout this process, my wife and I are just very inexperienced as first-time homeowners/married for just 2 months. The link I posted in my second post also has the Thermal-Backed Draperies in addition to the Thermal-Backed Tab-Top Window Treatments. However, in that, it only has pinch pleat and patio... and as I would like to go with the less-outdated/heavy look that you described, what would I look for? And again, I'm working with 71 x 82 French doors, so I want to make sure what I get is wide enough. I think the natural color would look best in our off-white/blue trim kitchen, and would resist dirt more readily than the white, and I do like the thermal backing on this which would help out with energy efficiency. Many thanks in advance!!! Kenneth hmmmm..........this is wierd......after a good 30 minutes of searching the net (for thermal drapery), i've come to the realization that all thermal draperies are either pinch pleated or tab topped!!! WHY this is so, i can't imagine! you might try searching some more, but if this is the case, then you have 3 options: 1. resign yourself to pinch pleats (gag! -just kidding, actually i did see some cute ones at jcpenney.com - some fun plaids, etc), or..... 2. if you or your wife (or friend, mother, mother in law, etc) can sew a simple straight line or hand hem you could get tab tops cut off the tabs....they'll be too short, but if you get the 96 ones, you can easily cut the whole top off hem them. or.... 3. forget the thermals and just go with a nice heavy fabric such as chenille, microsuede, brushed twill, etc. i saw where you CAN purchase just a thermal LINER to hang behind an existing curtain, but they're about the same cost as some of the curtains themselves, so you'd end up spending more probably). i admire your desire to conserve energy and insulate as much as possible, but as a decorator, i say go for what LOOKS best! so, if it were me, i'd opt for the heavier fabric route. then, next winter, if you feel a cold wind blowing in around your door, then you might consider the separate liner. by the way, do you live in Alaska or what?! Well........ I don't mind going with another trendier heavy fabric at all. The interest in the thermal backing was, beyond my desire to be somewhat environmentally responsible, simply the knowledge that I'm pretty sure the thermal backing would provide complete privacy. Besides that, neither my wife nor I have any knowledge of sewing whatsoever! And by the by, quite the opposite is true ... I wanted more to keep the heat out than the heat in. I live in Louisiana where we get some pretty hot days. However, as I would be leaving it open during the daytime (to let light get in to the plants and such) this really wouldn't make much difference anyway! I'll search the web for draperies in the fabrics that you mentioned and see what I come up with, and will probably be posting back here with questions once I find something. Best, Kenneth now i get it! yes, any fairly heavy tightly woven fabric will give you complete privacy - even cotton. if you have any decent shopping near you, i'd strongly suggest you go in person to look. fabric items are one of those things that you simply must see first hand - especially if you're leaning toward a solid. the texture of the fabric becomes that much more important. most department stores (Penney's, Famous Barr, Sears, etc) have drapery departments, even the discount stores (Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc) have some good stuff to choose from. personally, of late, i've found the best selection (in my area) at Penney's. but to look on their website, you'd never know they had anything decent! you can't tell on your computer what the fabric looks like. i've actually bought 7 different draperies at a time and returned them all days later..... you just never know what it's gonna look like til you get it home!!! (just keep those receipts!!!) well, good luck! and feel free to post back with any questions OR to let me/us know what you decided on! Hello again, it's your resident pest! I've come to the conclusion that I'm very confused about all the curtain/drape options that are out there. We went to JC Penney yesterday and did some looking. Most of their drapes were 42 wide, which, if I'm looking at my measurements correctly, I would need four of to properly cover my French doors. There was basically only one option for our sized door, and it was a tab top curtain similar to the link I posted up there somewhere. I slid it around on the display and it does seem somewhat difficult to move. Other options in fabric that we liked had a button down or button over (can't exactly remember what it was called) look, where the top actually has the fabric looped over the rod and buttoned to itself with a decorative button. We weren't sure if we liked that look for the French doors. I tried looking for something that was mounted on the metal rings to go on the rod, and ironically enough, most of what I found for this was pinch pleated. That leads me to believe that I'm not quite sure what you were talking about when it comes to pinch pleated vs. the metal rod, lighter look. We're both new to this and, well, I am a guy after all. Even if I am a graphic artist by trade, I think this decorating stuff is more genetically inclined in women. Is there any way that you could enligten me as to the specifics of the looks you were talking about? Was this (not the fabric, the style) something similar to what you were suggesting? It's got the metal rods, but it's also listed as pinch pleat. We may go with a darker, non-earthtone color just to kind of spruce things up... we have kind of a sage color in the living room on our curtain, and the entire house is painted a natural color with white trim. Possibly a blue (the kitchen has light blue trim). Only problem is, the kitchen door on the adjoining wall would have to have a complimentary look. Ah, I'm thinking at this point that we're getting bogged down in indecision. I'm beginning to think that we just need to jump in the pool. As always, thanks in advance, Kenneth you're right. most of the panels at JCP are only about 42 wide (they're meant for single windows). although that would be enough to cover your 71 wide doors, they'd be pulled pretty much flat. if that's too skimpy of a look for you, then pinch pleats may be the way to go, since they come in wider widths. the rings with the clips that i've been referring to are an accessory of sorts, that you buy separately, just like the iron rods the finials - it's all sort of mix match. they can be used to clip to the tops of pinch pleats (as shown in your last picture) or to the tops of plain rod pocket drapes (a plain, flat panel of fabric with a rod pocket sewn in the top, meant for a rod or pole to be slid into). you simply ignore the rod pocket and clip the ring to the top (or bottom even, if you want the larger hem at the bottom). sorry if i've confused you. my fault. i didn't realize/forgot that pinch pleats can be hung with the clips. i personally don't care for pinch pleats, so i didn't make a mental note of that, i guess! but they do look nice in that picture you posted. they don't have the heavy look that pinch pleats have when they're hung from an ugly traverse rod. plus, when curtains are pulled open on a traverse rod, the rod is exposed in the middle and just doesn't look very nice. the decorative iron rod (or a wood pole - i think they make wood rings with clips too) looks so much nicer. so, if you like that look (in the picture), then you'll have a much easier time finding the fabric you want, since pinch pleat draperies seem to come wider and also have the thermal backing option. i guess you pretty much DID have it all figured out with your initial thermal drapery selection. just use the iron rod/ring clips to hang them they'll look great! sorry - i feel like i've put you through the ringer for nothing!!! Ah, not a problem at all. It's been a very educational process for both my wife and myself, and an interesting journey. I feel like we've made a lot of progress, now reaching a point where we're narrowing down what we want. Here's a questions, has anyone had any experiences with tab-top curtains and a product like this one to make it easier to slide? Would that still pose the same problems with having to work to get it looking nice every time we open/close it? All that said, at the same time, I think I'm mentally fried from looking at so many curtains. I think we're going to go back to JC Penney this afternoon and look around some more and perhaps talk to one of their reps. I'm not sure the wife is sold on the rings yet as she thinks they look a bit like a shower curtain. I'm still open to any suggestion links that anyone might have, at this point I've seen so many I'm about ready to just staple up an old sheet! The kicker is, once we finally get something for the French doors, we'll have to get a similar fabric / complimentary color for our kitchen door on the adjoining wall. Ahhhhh!!! Kenneth it's not so much that tabtops are a little difficult to slide back forth (which may or not be made easier with those little gizmos), but once you slide them open or closed, you want the tabs to be spaced equally apart - therein lies the biggest drawback to using tabtops as MOVEABLE curtains (which i don't think they were ever really intended for). i think they look messy if not situated just so. my experience: i have them in my son's bedroom and they look great, but they are just stationary side panels. we have 2 wood blinds on the window for privacy light control. so the tabtops are just decorative to help soften the window. every time i see that the tabs are not perfectly spaced apart, it drives me nuts. and, at 5'4, i can't stand and reach up high enough to adjust the curtain with accuracy, so i have to get up on his toybox to do it (poor toybox!) which is really inconvenient - but for me, it's only once in a blue moon. the thought of you two sliding that curtain open closed day after day makes me cringe - unless you're both really tall! when you go to Penney's (or wherever) again, slide those tabtops back forth a lot, and see if it bugs you that they're not just so, like you're used to seeing them in pictures. it might not bother you. but if it does, i'd choose something different. one more thing: when i first saw the rings clips, i, too, thought shower curtain rings??? ew! but, like with anything new, the more you see it around, the more you start to accept it and like it. everywhere i turn now, i see iron rods, cool funky finials, and CLIPS! and i love them. it started out being a contemporary look - i'd see it done in pewter silver tones - kind of a commercial, industrial look. but then when you see it in the dark iron, sometimes in combination with wood or glass accents, it really warms up. it can actually look really old-worldish or old country charming. if you need some more convincing, go to www.thecompanystore.com or www.potterybarn.com. they've got really good room settings to see them in. maybe they'll grow on you, too. as for your kitchen door window: that window treatment just needs to compliment the french door drapery. it can still be a simple gathered topbottom sheer on rods attached above below the window, onto the actual door. as long as what you do there doesn't fight with the french door drapery, you'll be fine. if you can do the same fabric, great, but if not, just keep the kitchen door simple. that shouldn't be a focal point anyway. by the way........i think it's really great that you're so involved with your wife (maybe more so?) with this whole decorating thing! most husbands just stand there nodding saying yes, dear - whatever you think, dear! but it's your house, too, and you have likes dislikes, too, so the guy SHOULD be involved! good on ya! Aha! Success! We've finally decided on a look that we're comfortable with, after going to JC Penney, looking around and talking to the rep there, we decided on some chenille pinch-pleated drapes, hung on the rod with metal rings. And, in fact, we decided not to even go with the beige/natural color, we were able to find a blue that really compliments the kitchen. Now the challenge is finding a beige/natural color panel of the same (or complimentary) fabric for the 23x36 kitchen door on the adjoining wall. As of yet, I haven't seen anything chenille in that size, but I'm pleased to have made this much progress. I know it's probably an odd thing that I take interest in working up a look for the house, I'm sure most men would rather use that time to watch football or something. So, thanks for the compliment. I think more than anything I'm just getting into the whole homeowner concept. It's nice to have the options to do whatever we want to to the house, so I like to take a bit of interest in what things look like. Thanks so much for all of the advice that you've been able to offer. I didn't realize what a road it would be just choosing an option for the French doors and kitchen door, but it's been worthwhile... I've been described as a well informed impulse buyer, so I guess this process is the well informed part. Thanks, Kenneth Originally Posted by Annette it's not so much that tabtops are a little difficult to slide back forth (which may or not be made easier with those little gizmos), but once you slide them open or closed, you want the tabs to be spaced equally apart - therein lies the biggest drawback to using tabtops as MOVEABLE curtains (which i don't think they were ever really intended for). i think they look messy if not situated just so. my experience: i have them in my son's bedroom and they look great, but they are just stationary side panels. we have 2 wood blinds on the window for privacy light control. so the tabtops are just decorative to help soften the window. every time i see that the tabs are not perfectly spaced apart, it drives me nuts. and, at 5'4, i can't stand and reach up high enough to adjust the curtain with accuracy, so i have to get up on his toybox to do it (poor toybox!) which is really inconvenient - but for me, it's only once in a blue moon. the thought of you two sliding that curtain open closed day after day makes me cringe - unless you're both really tall! when you go to Penney's (or wherever) again, slide those tabtops back forth a lot, and see if it bugs you that they're not just so, like you're used to seeing them in pictures. it might not bother you. but if it does, i'd choose something different. one more thing: when i first saw the rings clips, i, too, thought shower curtain rings??? ew! but, like with anything new, the more you see it around, the more you start to accept it and like it. everywhere i turn now, i see iron rods, cool funky finials, and CLIPS! and i love them. it started out being a contemporary look - i'd see it done in pewter silver tones - kind of a commercial, industrial look. but then when you see it in the dark iron, sometimes in combination with wood or glass accents, it really warms up. it can actually look really old-worldish or old country charming. if you need some more convincing, go to www.thecompanystore.com or www.potterybarn.com. they've got really good room settings to see them in. maybe they'll grow on you, too. as for your kitchen door window: that window treatment just needs to compliment the french door drapery. it can still be a simple gathered topbottom sheer on rods attached above below the window, onto the actual door. as long as what you do there doesn't fight with the french door drapery, you'll be fine. if you can do the same fabric, great, but if not, just keep the kitchen door simple. that shouldn't be a focal point anyway. by the way........i think it's really great that you're so involved with your wife (maybe more so?) with this whole decorating thing! most husbands just stand there nodding saying yes, dear - whatever you think, dear! but it's your house, too, and you have likes dislikes, too, so the guy SHOULD be involved! good on ya! A question regarding your response - what kind of rod did you use for the side panels? One long rod for both side panels or a seperate rod for each? since you quoted me, i'm assuming you're asking what type of rod i used in my son's room (?)......if so: i used a wood pole that goes all the way across his window. i just keep the tabtops hanging from the sides. for privacy light control, i've got 2 wood blinds that i tilt open closed. (i hardly ever raise them.) i like the look of 2 separate short rods, though, but i think that's more of a sophisticated look, better suited for a master bedroom or dining room, etc. not a little boy's room. I have enjoyed this thread, because I have the same type of doors and have gone back and forth between choices, trying to make a decision. I think that I have decided to make 2 lined curtain panels attached to a metal rod with rings, much like the pictures in the Pottery Barn link. My question is, what fullness of material should I use? The room is an office / homework room, not formal at all and the material I have chosen is a heavy cotton, very large stripy / gingham pattern. I have heard everything from 1.5 to 3 times the width of the window. How far apart should I spread the clips? Your advice would be appreciated. what a coincidence! that's what i have in our bedroom. a large windowpane plaid, simple panels, hung from metal clips on a metal rod. mine's unlined though. (ie cheap!) mine were tab tops so i bought the 96 ones whacked off the tabs hemmed them so i could use the clips. i think the fullness depends on whether or not you're going to be closing them. we never close ours because we have 2 wood blinds underneath. if i pull them closed, they're almost flat, so means they're only about 1 x fullness, but that looks fine when they're opened back. that's all i wanted, was just some color at the sides a little softening of the window. my window is about 48 wide, and each panel was about 42 wide, so when i pull them back, the stackback is about 18. i bought 2 packs of clips, 7 clips in each pack, so i just evenly spaced out the 7 clips on each panel. i clipped one on each edge, one in the middle, and then 2 evenly between those (which works out to 7 between each clip). i'm not sure if there's a correct spacing for those clips, but i wouldn't want them to be much further apart than that. closer maybe, but not further. but if you're going to be closing them daily, you'll want them to look nice closed, so i'd go 2 to 2.5 x full. since they'll be lined, that'll make them bulkier, so i think 3 x full would be too much. plus, the fuller you go, the more of the fabric's pattern you lose, because of all the gathering. when you go to make them, remember to not just take your window width x 2 (or whatever). you need to measure all the way out to wherever the end of the rod will be, or they'll turn out skimpier than you'd planned. for example, my 18 stackback is half on the wall half over the window, so my rod isn't just 48 wide, it's more like 66 (9 beyond the window width on each side). but if you sew, you knew that! hope that helps! Thank you so much! That was exactly the advice I needed. Now I just have to get out my rod, measuring tape, etc. and make my sewing plans. Getting started is always the hard part! I'll let you know how it turns out, and forward any pearls of wisdom I might pick up along the way. Thanks again. I'm remodeling my entire home and replacing all windows and doors. Now there are French doors in lieu of sliders and I'm pondering the problem of curtains/draperies for the French doors. I happened upon a delightful solution called SWING RODS. In fact, I found many when I googled that exact description. They're often found under SPECIALTY RODS. Years ago I'd bought a pair of swing rods at an antique shop but didn't realize they were being made at this time. Another source of genuine vintage swing rods is EBAY. Actually they have quite a few. You just want to make sure they come with the brackets that mount on the wall. In researching SWING RODS I found that a pair is put at each door, top and bottom. (They might cost about $30+ per pair.) The bracket can be mounted on the door itself or the wall. THE OBJECT OF THE SWING ROD is to allow a French door to be completely covered with draperies when desired and yet to allow the drapes to be swung open when wanting more light or desiring to see outdoors, while still maintaining security. My home is surrounded by forest and though I want the French doors to remain closed and locked, I often want total view of the outdoors without opening the doors. This solves that problem beautifully. I've opted to hang the swing rods on each door. I think it'll look best that way...more compact...consuming less wall space...a neater look. Brook (a new member) An alternative to the swing rod solution is a curtain that attaches to the top of the door with an adhesive strip. Easily installs with a little pressure on the adhesive strip. The curtains allow for complete privacy when they are down and can be rolled up during the day to allow in the sun shine. I have a similar problem with picking a drapery style for my living room french doors. The biggest problem I have is that they aren't typical french doors. There are 3, door sized panels, but the two outside ones do not open, and the middle swings open as a door to the back deck. The person who lived here before us had mounted 3 sets of blinds, one on each door. Because of pets, I don't want to do the same thing (they tend to bend and break the slats) However, I have the feeling that 2 panels all the way across all 3 doors may be too much, (the color my boyfriend chose for fabric is approximately the same color as the walls, with thin stripes) and I also don't know that the material is wide enough to do this without seams down the middle. I have considered doing 3 panels, and mounting them to each door, however this would mean that the middle one couldn't be opened and could only be gathered in the middle, and, I worry that the rod will keep us from opening the door all the way. So, are there any suggestions on handle these unique doors? I'm open to just about anything vtsurfergirl: i don't understand what you mean - what 2 panels would go over 3 windows? the last suggestion, by clenkeit, was an excellent one. each window area gets its own shade. they're like a rolled up roman shade, sort of. they adhere to each area above the glass, but ON the frame. so the movable door window area would be treated the same as the stationary ones on each side. and when you open the door, the treatment is soft (no rods or anything hard), so even if you opened the door all the way back almost touching the window to the side of it, it wouldn't hurt anything. For clarification: it was my boyfriend's idea (and it is technically his house) that we mount the rod above the entire door frame, and just create normal drapes, with two pieces that we could slide back, or pull together in the middle to cover all 3 door pieces. I like the roman shade idea, but I'm not sure quite create it. Is there anyplace I can look for examples, or instructions on making these? And are there special materials needed for attaching them with the adhesive? We are on a tight budget, so I will be making the curtains...and we have already purchased the fabric, so there's no turning back! Thanks for the good advice so far how much fabric did you buy? how wide is the fabric? and how wide is the whole 3 window unit? draperies need to be about 3x as wide as the window itself to gather correctly and look nice full. here is an example of the door shade. look under alternate views and see how it looks rolled up. it looks like it would be really easy to make. attaches to the door/window frame with velcro. as long as the blind or shade only protrudes a couple inches, they shouldn't interefere with the door opening. a 2 wood blind, on the other hand, projects too far out (i know from experience! ), but a 1 blind or a roller shade would be fine.
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